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Friday, April 09, 2010

Chinese or Japanese? Not chicks, rotary buffers of course!


I remembered hearing a story about a friend who attended a trade fair where there were many Chinese sellers setting up booths to sell their product/service.

He was walking past one booth where a Caucasian lady was talking to a fellow Chinese businessman. My friend overheard the Caucasian lady saying(rather loudly), "I am not Chinese, I do not copy!".

Upon hearing his story, I recalled a presentation that I had to do for my Economics class. The topic was about the two types of entrepreneurship.

The first type is the Schumpeterian entrepreneur, this entrepreneur is the one that innovates and creates a new idea/product to totally kill another product(aka creative destruction). Do you remember the Polaroid camera? It became obsolete after the invention of the digital camera. The Schumpeterian entrepreneur is the innovator.

The second type is called the Kirznerian entreprenuer. This entrepreneur is not a creative innovator, but is very alert to the market. Filling in gaps and satisfying needs that were not identified before. Somehow, they can still make money in a saturated market. One business strategy that Kirznerian entrepreneurs use is Creative Imitation. This is where they imitate the product of a market leader and add a few improvements to it. Then again, not all imitated products are improvements over the original product. You can also say many, if not most, Chinese entrepreneurs are Kirznerian entrepreneurs.

Which brings me to talking about cheap Chinese rotary buffers versus an expensive Japanese one.


I have been asked before whether one should spend the money on a rotary buffer(RB) such as the Makita, or start with an easier machine, such as the Bosch GEX-125AE.

To put things in perspective,
Makita 9227C RB - RM900
Bosch GEX125AE ROB - RM330

The Makita is nearly 3 times more expensive than the Bosch. When asked to choose which machine to start on first, my answer would depend on their time constraints and budget.

If the user is willing to spend many hours learning and getting comfortable with the rotary, he will be rewarded with results that are beyond the capabilities of a random orbital. If one is only aiming for clean and shiny paint without having to invest time in learning the machine, a random orbital is a good choice.

The second factor to choosing one machine over the other is budget. If one purchases the Makita together with all the pads, backing plate, compounds and polishes. The total bill can easily exceed RM1500. With the Bosch, you do not need pads such as a wool pad or traditional compounds such as M85. So you have lesser products to purchase when you want to buy the Bosch.

But after playing with the China made rotary buffers, I think I'm going to change my answer. If you are willing to spend time learning the rotary to achieve good results but do not have a high budget, I might suggest buying a China made buffer.

I only used the buffer on half of the boot on a Proton Waja, but boy were there huge differences.

Here's a quick comparison chart based on the very short play time I had with the Fuqiang RB


In addition to that, Henry from Osren Malaysia also commented that the China made buffers are not as durable.

With all those cons above, are they worth the purchase, well the price might suggest so. Such a HUGE price difference!

Okay okay, putting all those aside, the main question is, DOES IT WORK? I'll let the photos do the talking.





Spurring the wool pad.


And the reflection shots of the before and after. Note that the reflection shot in the before picture is unedited by any photo editing software(i.e. NOT Gaussian blur, etc.). The after shot is also not the result of sharpening using software, but by the cutting using hardware.



Another China made rotary named.... BoHai *cue audience laugh*


Here, Jackson is using it with a Lake Country 4 ply wool and Osren PC 3.0


The gloss achieved after compounding, polishing and Meguiar's NXT 2.0


So, would I recommend one? Yes if budget is an issue and time is not. I mean, with the China machine, you may have to spend more time learning it since it is not as smooth and comfortable to use as the Makita. For example, on speed 1 with slight pressure, the backing plate wouldn't even turn, unless you lift the buffer or up the speed. Not to mention the China machines are also MUCH louder than the Makita.

If you are willing to live with it, then it isn't such a bad choice.
The Fuqiang retails at about RM150. The BoHai at RM180. Another popular China RB, KEN, retails for about RM300+.

If you do go with the China RB though, I recommend getting quality pads and compounds/polishes. I have no experience with Chinese pads and compounds/polishes. But seeing the results we achieved that day, you can't go wrong with good pads and polishes, even if the machine is much cheaper!

Again, this is my opinion based on the short playtime, so please do not treat this as an absolute when choosing one machine over the other.

Rotary Ballet

Other than that, wish you all Happy Detailing and have a great weekend! Can't wait for tommorow, The Pacific pt. 3, showing on HBO at 9pm.

p.s. Would like to thank Jackson for hosting the RB party, snacks were delisshh. To Raymond for allowing us to use his car as a test mule, and to the rest for being great company as always!


EDIT: Seech's comment made me feel like I kinda betrayed you guys with the post title. So, here's a free bonus!



Jun 7:25 PM  

you should get the KEN rotary for a larf anyway. hahaha

Izso 8:54 PM  

BoHai? Seriously? -___-"

Eh sifu, can teach me how to use NXT2.0 with a buffer with normal pads and all? I thought it was wipe on, dry and wipe off?

Kenneth Tang a.k.a Fishbonezken 10:48 PM  

Haha! spare machine? LOL. It does look cool in red.

Yeah you are right with the NXT 2.0. Wipe on(thinly), dry to a (slight)haze, wipe off! It's great for hand application but can be applied using a random orbital buffer too.

seech 7:34 AM  

Where are the chicks? :-)

Kenneth Tang a.k.a Fishbonezken 4:19 PM  

Check again Seech, hehehe. You can comment using your blogger ID if you like man...

Kenneth Tang a.k.a Fishbonezken 4:35 PM  

Seech, just for you, check the bottom of the post. ;)

陳一豪 9:58 PM  

OMG fuxxing awesome! The chicks I meant.

That aside, isn't Bosch a reputable brand? Why was it used as a comparison to Makita arr?

Eh you working mou now?

Kenneth Tang a.k.a Fishbonezken 10:15 PM  

Yee Hou,
Hehe, which one you like?

The Bosch IS a reputable brand, I was actually comparing the Bosch Random orbital buffer to a Rotary buffer. Different types of buffer, when we say Bosch we mainly refer to the random orbital since there is no Bosch rotary polisher in our market, as far as I'm aware.

Not yet work, ONE bloody subject more to go....ish...

jackson 12:12 AM  

Ken, Correction a bit.
BoHai RB is RM139.
FuQiang RB is RM189.

FuQiang RB comes with plastic hard case.

But both comes with 3 spare carbon brushes.

jackson 12:12 AM  

And yes, they are VERY LOUD.

Kenneth Tang a.k.a Fishbonezken 12:04 PM  

Haha, thanks for the correction jackson!

Seech 12:32 PM  

Hahahaha..... THAT'S more like it!!!

Kenneth Tang a.k.a Fishbonezken 5:26 PM  

Seech, glad you liked them, hahaha! Btw, left a comment about your post at

陳一豪 8:05 AM  

Oh okok means if you're comparing Bosch's ROB with other ROBs they might be superior?

Eh never see you in uni one I'm there Mon, Wed-Fri.

Got something chun to show you also.

MSN or email me!

Kenneth Tang a.k.a Fishbonezken 11:15 AM  

Yee Hou,
You in uni edi!!?? Gosshh, I also never see u, I'm there on thursdays and fridays. Will send you an email.

rayd 5:25 PM  

Nice write up ken!

YOu got some decent pictures there :) Mine didnt really show the before/after greatly.. i also lost a few pictures due to insanely high ISO setting that I didnt check.

Kenneth Tang a.k.a Fishbonezken 5:53 PM  

Thanks Raymond! I was shooting on 'P' mode, so....yeah just point and shoot, haha!

e39touring 12:21 PM  

Has anybody try SKIL 9070? Saw it selling for RM299. Is it comparable to other leading brand?

chinese machines 8:01 PM  

It's incredible. Keep up the excellent work. I have gotten at leat 50 times the value from machines.

PushtiulK 1:44 PM  

great article. congrats. did you use a festool shinex 150? if yes, what do you think about it?

Kenneth Tang a.k.a Fishbonezken 2:05 PM  

Sorry haven't tried one before.

@chinese machines,
That's great, how is the durability on the machines for long term use?

Thanks!! Nope, have not used or seen a festool shinex 150 before, it is very expensive though. £388.93 from


yakubu 4:59 PM  

totally new to detailing here but for Bosch ROB, can it be used with backing plate and all the different kind of pad sold ? thanks

Scub 5:01 PM  

Hi may i know where to get this in PJ/KL??

BoHai RB is RM139.
FuQiang RB is RM189.

Thanks !!

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